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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:28 pm 
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The article seems to trail off.

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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:32 pm 
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Cannot seem to bring up the whole article but if thats how she feels the its time we pulled out of Afghanistan lock stock and barrel and let the Argies take our place fighting the Taliban. While reinforce the Falklands garriosn and Democracy, The rule of Law and British people and interests. There is not point fighting America's wars if all we are going to get is a clintonian stilletto heel in the back.


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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:51 pm 
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Cannot seem to bring up the whole article but if thats how she feels the its time we pulled out of Afghanistan lock stock and barrel and let the Argies take our place fighting the Taliban. While reinforce the Falklands garriosn and Democracy, The rule of Law and British people and interests. There is not point fighting America's wars if all we are going to get is a clintonian stilletto heel in the back.

That rant was prompted by this (presumably):
Times article (from earlier in the thread) wrote:
Despite Britain’s close alliance with the US, the Obama Administration is determined not to be drawn into the issue. It has also declined to back Britain’s claim that oil exploration near the islands is sanctioned by international law, saying that the dispute is strictly a bilateral issue.
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Senior US officials insisted that Washington’s position on the Falklands was one of longstanding neutrality. This is in stark contrast to the public backing and vital intelligence offered by President Reagan to Margaret Thatcher once she had made the decision to recover the islands by force in 1982.

“We are aware not only of the current situation but also of the history, but our position remains one of neutrality,” a State Department spokesman told The Times. “The US recognises de facto UK administration of the islands but takes no position on the sovereignty claims of either party.”
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British officials in Washington said that they were comfortable with the US response to the dispute, but indicated that any American support for mediated negotiations would not be well received. It was “up to the islanders whether they want mediation or not”, one official said.

How? And how is that a "clintonian stilletto heel in the back"? (especially since the US administration has declined to get involved in or support "mediated negotiations")


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:10 pm 
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Nope this article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... sided.html


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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
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G-MAN wrote:

And Clinton seems to have said:
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"We would like to see Argentina and the United Kingdom sit down and resolve the issues between them across the table in a peaceful, productive way."

And seems to have gone on to say that no-one (presumably including the USA administration) could force both countries to do that.

The Telegraph article was very speculative, and didn't seem to add anything to our understanding of the situation. Is there another source which shows Clinton as having in any way sided with Argentina?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:01 pm 
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she should have just kept quiet and "refused to be drawn on the issue" seeing as America is neutral. However she had tinpot states in South America to improve relations with and smiling, nodding and having a laugh is a small price to pay from the American perspective for their support against Iran.

What she said is wrong anyway, there is nothing to resolve.


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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:28 am 
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Looks like there is more to this story

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 055925.ece

Like I said somone (not the wet weekend Milliband) needs to tell Hilary or Obama that its a bit of a slap in the face when British troops are fighting and dying in Hellmand (two just yestarday) if they want the Argies can take there place and we can beef up the Falklands garrison with some battle hardened Afghan vets


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A very interesting article G-Man .... I will be following this and as someone who likes Abama; I would find it very upsetting if America did not back us over the Falklands; especially considering that we backed them in Iraq against public opinion both at home and abroad ... and the fact that our reputation around the world suffered for our involvement.

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G-MAN wrote:
Looks like there is more to this story...

Or perhaps not.
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A British official insisted that “nobody’s been writing any formal letters”, adding that Britain was “genuinely quite relaxed” about the American position.


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you would hardly expect "A British official" to say anything else though would you?


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Rick wrote:
you would hardly expect "A British official" to say anything else though would you?

No, but still failing to see what the fuss is about.


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"We take no position on the issue...actually you should have talks" is not helpful from a close ally.


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"We take no position on the issue...actually you should have talks" is not helpful from a close ally.

Still failing to see the problem. This is all just hot air. The Argentinians can't make a significant military threat against us, the islands are well defended, and we clearly have no intention of letting down the islanders. So where is the problem?


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That should be obvious. The problem is that our closest ally is giving mixed signals over the issue and it is giving the Argentine government encouragement.


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That should be obvious. The problem is that our closest ally is giving mixed signals over the issue and it is giving the Argentine government encouragement.

In your mind, clearly :smt023 In reality, perhaps not :smt077

Joking aside, what has *actually* changed? Our position hasn't budged, and won't. The military position is strong, and transferring veterans of the Afghan war to the Falklands (as someone suggested) won't make any difference. If oil is found, we'll exploit it. What is left to discuss?


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nothing, which as the Americans have declared neutrality they should stick to rather than suggesting dialogue. They are being unclear on their own position by contradicting it and undermining us which is why there was some irritation in the Foreign Office.


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I think this thread might be dead now. Lawrence?


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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
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Probably, but nobody seems to have been particularly hurt in this little Falklands war so we'll let it stay in case anyone has anything interesting to say. I only lock threads when they get too ridiculous, generally.

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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
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The post pub tosser in me may be surfacing but im glad you have kept the thread open Lawrence...allows for contributions to a developing situation.


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 Post subject: Re: The Argies up to there old tricks a new Falklands row
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A very interesting article G-Man .... I will be following this and as someone who likes Abama; I would find it very upsetting if America did not back us over the Falklands; especially considering that we backed them in Iraq against public opinion both at home and abroad ... and the fact that our reputation around the world suffered for our involvement.


If you like Obama you obviously don't live here in the states. Obama is an idiot and a half wit who can't deliver five sentences without a teleprompter. Never before in the history of this country has someone so stupid been elected to our highest orifice. Of course, he only got elected because so many white people are made to feel horribly guilty for things that happened to black people well before most of us were ever born. Those people won't be backing him next time, and come the mid-term election cycle, the African-Americans who turned out in droves to elect him based on his skin color won't be there to vote to preserve his precious majority in the House and Senate either - there's no Obama to vote for.

I'm certain that you guys aren't getting the full story there across the pond, but he's in the throes of doing his level best to destroy the nation on a wholesale level. Immigration is next on his deranged agenda while we're at roughly 17% unemployment here, which is exactly what we need - more third world sixth grade educated adults clamoring for social services and government housing when we can't even provide those things to our own people. My business back in North Carolina was utterly destroyed by cheap ill-educated and in many cases, illegal labor, and both Democrats and Republicans are to blame for that, which is why I hate them both with an all-consuming passion. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so this week, I'm rooting for the Republicans.


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